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From: Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com>
To: "Lee Wells" <lee@leewells.org>, "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>, list@rhizome.org
Date: Monday, October 20, 2003, 6:18:17 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Cremaster web site

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Concerning this:

> >> He must have really creative accountant...
> >>
> > I was wondering about that too. Maybe all the blood at the end is to pay
for
> > it?
>
> It pays to have Barbara Gladstone as your dealer.


I think it probably pays to actually create very strong and beautiful
imagery worked into a carefully constructive narrative and then to actually
go out and relentlessly seek funding to support it. But independent of any
opinions on Barney, It's funny what happens when you put your mind towards
raising money to create something, you guys should try it. If you're
complaining about how much money you're getting, then you clearl either
aren't working hard enough or in the right sphere to get the money you would
like. Groveling for institutional funding and whining about how corrupt the
system is doesn't count.

Are people really this snobby about aesthetics? No wonder net.art sucks.
It's absurd how vehemently people defend thier right to a deliberately ugly
aesthetic and then moan about how artists who create something beautiful and
challenging get "all the money". Some people have the talent and skill to
become professional artists, some don't. The fact that those who have the
talent and skill are not always neccesarily making the best work isn't
something to whine about, if that's how you feel, it's a success to study in
order to emulate. It's reality, for better or for worse, and the longer you
deny it the longer you are going to wait for your own reality to change.

Has anyone seen that awful fucking train wreck of a film "American
Splendor"? There's a celebration of the "pure to be poor and corrupt to try"
train of thought if I ever saw it, and it's just something I'm reminded of
watching this conversation.

Lastly, if Barney didn't get the funding to create these films, I'd be slow
to assume that the same money would magically get into my pocket or any of
yours.

-e.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Wells" <lee@leewells.org>
To: "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Cremaster web site


> on 10/19/03 22:28, Jim Andrews at jim@vispo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >> He must have really creative accountant...
> >>
> >> marc
> >
> > I was wondering about that too. Maybe all the blood at the end is to pay
for
> > it?
> >
> > ja
> >
>
> It pays to have Barbara Gladstone as your dealer.
>
> Lee
>
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